Have some questions for you if you would be willing to give me some answers.
1) Is the Muslim God just, holy and righteous? 2) According to Islam, is Man a sinner (i.e evil, unholy)? 3) If Man is a sinner indeed, how does the Muslim God deal with sinners?
well i'll answer you according to my personal small knowledge, if i was right ot wrong, this wont change any facts of reality (just loved to say this before any discussion)
and i'll reply you now, if you need evidence from sources i can get it for you isA
"1) Is the Muslim God just, holy and righteous? "
yes GOD is righteous, HE is holy and Just, and most important of all is that HIS justice is depending on HIS GENEROUSITY (like when we sin, HE counts it 1 bad deed, and when we do good thing HE counts it 10 good deeds)
so JUSTICE isnt fair if we mentioned it without GENEROSITY ____________________________________________________________
"2) According to Islam, is Man a sinner (i.e evil, unholy)?"
man isnt CREATED as a sinner, every human is created CLEAN and with no sins, but a part from this test we are living in is the NAFS (soul, but not meaning SPIRIT..as this word i cant find good translation for..may be EGO is some how near word)
every Human has his NAFS standing in his way (besides the satan)..the human's NAFS can be trained on not sinning..and this training is called JIHAD, where humans need to resist their own desires to sin created by this NAFS (and it differs from human to another), and also resist the satan
but you or me as HUMANS (in Islam), we are not created as sinners..but created as white cheat, and we who choose to let loose the rope for sinning, or control our selves
and incase a human couldnt resist, GOD said on HIM self that HE is the all-forgiving, and HE forgives sins what ever they were, and showing people that (EVERY SINGLE PERSON will go to situation which may get weak and sin in it, and that's why GOD obliged HIM SELF for forgiving people's sins what ever they were, EXCEPT a human who died NOT BELIEVING in GOD, or believing in partners aside him)
3) If Man is a sinner indeed, how does the Muslim God deal with sinners?
i explained how man ISNT created sinner, but he who chooses so, so GOD deals with sinners..this is the question..
as i know, there are several things on earth and in the hereafter..like for example
when a man sins, then ask forgivness,GOD said that HE will forgive in ANY THING (since the human didnt die, so he can repent from believing in other gods for example)..but if a man sinned in other humans (like robbing or killing or what ever) he has to GIVE THE RIGHTS BACK first for his repentance to be accepted by GOD
but IF the man sinned and DIDNT ask forgivness, there are several stages
one stage is GOD to put him in situations (like trouble in life or illness or what ever) that cleans up his past sins (and this happens also to good people, but it's perpose is to put them in higher position near GOD)..IF he was patient and succeeded in this situation, his sins are removed, and even he gets more good deeds, but if he fails..there is always a second chance till the last breath
if this sinner INSISTED on his sin (and may GOD forgive us all) with no will of repentance, GOD gives him EVERY thing he needs in this life, all power, money, what ever he likes..thus he will be counted for this on the hear after..so a person taking TONS of blessings, and dont do any thing good..in the hereafter, his punishment will be sever
but important thing to be mentioned..good deeds and sins are RULES put by GOD, but arent the main subject in the here after..this is a SECONDARY issue, the PRIMARY ISSUE is the FAITH it self..the prophet (pbuh) said said a story about a man entered heaven (in the hereafter) because of giving a thirsty DOG some water from a well in a desert, and another story about a woman went to hell because of imprisoning a CAT, neither giving it food or water, nor leaving the cat go free
the key is in the HEART (this doesnt make deeds useless, but this is MORE IMPORTANT than deeds)
another things is that we dont enter heaven by our deeds, but by GOD's mercy, and thats why any sinner when he repents all his sins turns into good deeds..so people in heaven (may we all be gathered there isA)..one can be very pios in his life, and find the neighbor next to him didnt do 1/100 of the deeds that he personally did..it's because GOD's mercy who got both of them in heaven, not their deeds
but for the sinners that their hearts (the heart is shaped by our important deeds, by situations, by opinions, several stuff) were corrupted, they will go to hell sorrily, and it is described in the Quraan (as heaven is described)..so if you want what does it look like, i can pick up for you some verses for that
I appreciate your effort in providing me with such a substantial answer. Let me ask some more questions.
1) Does Allah have in mind "big sins" and "small sins"? 2) Does the Quaran teach about men that are more righteous than others in Allah's eyes? 3) How can Allah be just and the justifier of the wicked? Is it right for a just God to forgive a sinner? 4) Is repentance a gift from Allah? 5) Is faith a gift from Allah? 6) What makes the difference between an unbeliever and a believer? Is it Allah's grace or is it Man's merits?
Thank you very much for your feedback. It is a great learning experience.
6) you dont know your merits until you are told where you had gone wrong and where you were right. right?
5) There is a treasure underneath your home!. only if you believed this, you will dig it.
4) If you had shunned what was wrong, then it implies you had accepted and recognised what is right. Surely then you have received a gift, though you may not see the gift but you can feel it and realise it.
3) Indeed Allah is JUST and indeed one day He shall judge us and then each one of us would know their own wickedness and that day we all would wish that He would forgive us.
2) Indeed it does, Plz read thoroghly from first page to last page of Quran.
1) Does Allah have in mind "big sins" and "small sins"?
An-Najm
That is what they could reach of knowledge. Verily, your Lord it is He Who knows best him who goes astray from His Path, and He knows best him who receives guidance. (30)
And to Allâh belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, that He may requite those who do evil with that which they have done (i.e. punish them in Hell), and reward those who do good, with what is best (i.e. Paradise).(31)
Those who avoid great sins (see the Qur'ân, Verses: 6:152,153) and Al-Fawâhish (illegal sexual intercourse) except the small faults, verily, your Lord is of vast forgiveness. He knows you well when He created you from the earth (Adam), and when you were fetuses in your mothers' wombs. So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him [i.e. those who are Al-Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2)(32)
Did you (O Muhammad SAW) observe him who turned away (from Islâm).(33)
And gave a little, then stopped (giving)?(34)
Is with him the knowledge of the unseen so that he sees?(35)
Or is he not informed with what is in the Pages (Scripture) of Mûsa (Moses),(36)
And of Ibrâhim (Abraham) who fulfilled (or conveyed) all that (Allâh ordered him to do or convey),(37)
That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another.(38)
And that man can have nothing but what he does (good or bad),(39)
And that his deeds will be seen,(40)
Then he will be recompensed with a full and the best recompense.(41)
And that to your Lord (Allâh) is the End (Return of everything).(42)
And that it is He (Allâh) Who makes (whom He wills) laugh, and makes (whom He wills) weep.(43)
And that it is He (Allâh) Who causes death and gives life.(44)
And that He (Allâh) creates the pairs, male and female.(45)
From Nutfah (drops of semen — male and female discharges) when it is emitted.(46)
And that upon Him (Allâh) is another bringing forth (Resurrection).(47)
And that it is He (Allâh) Who gives much or a little (of wealth and contentment)(48)
And that He (Allâh) is the Lord of Sirius (the star which the pagan Arabs used to worship);(49)
And that it is He (Allâh) Who destroyed the former 'Ad (people),(50)
And Thamûd (people). He spared none of them.(51)
And the people of Nûh (Noah) aforetime, verily, they were more unjust and more rebellious and transgressing [in disobeying Allâh and His Messenger Nûh (Noah) A.S.(52)
And He destroyed the overthrown cities [of Sodom to which Prophet Lut (Lot) was sent].(53)
So there covered them that which did cover (i.e. torment with stones)(54)
Then which of the Graces of your Lord (O man!) will you doubt(55)
This (Muhammad SAW) is a warner (Messenger) of the (series of) warners (Messengers) of old(56)
The Day of Resurrection draws near,(57)
None besides Allâh can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it).(58)
A QUESTION FOR YOU MY FREIND DOES THE GOD OF THE BIBLE HAVE EVIL IN HIM????
THE OTHER THING IS PAUL TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND CHRISTIANITY PROPERLY WHAT IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY ????
ALLÂH Allâh (1:1)(3:18)(5:109)(6:124)(7:180)(8:40) (16:91)(20:8)(57:5)(65:3)(74:56)(85:20) AR-RAHMÂN The Most Compassionate, The Beneficent The Gracious (1:3)(17:110)(19:58)(21:112) (27:30)(36:52)(50:33)(55:1)(59:22) (78:38) AR-RAHÎM The Merciful (2:163)(3:31)(4:100)(5:3)(5:98) (11:41)(12:53)(12:64)(26:9)(30:5)(36:58) AL-MALIK The King (20:114)(23:116)(59:23)(62:1)(114:2) AL-QUDDÛS The Most Holy (59:23) (62:1) AS-SALÂM The All-Peaceful, The Bestower of peace (59:23) AL-MU'MIN The Granter of security (59:23) AL-MUHAYMIN The Protector (59:23) AL-'AZÎZ The Mighty (3:6) (4:158) (9:40) (9:71) (48:7) (59:23) (61:1) AL-JABBÂR The Compeller (59:23) AL-MUTAKABBIR Supreme in Greatness, The Majestic (59:23) AL-KHÂLIQ The Creator (6:102) (13:16) (39:62)(40:62)(59:24) AL-BÂRI' The Maker (59:24) AL-MUSAWWIR The Bestower of form The Shaper (59:24) AL-GAFFÂR The Forgiver (20:82)(38:66)(39:5)(40:42)(71:10) AL-QAHHÂR The Subduer (13:16)(14:48)(38:65)(39:4)(40:16) AL-WAHHÂB The Bestower (3:8)(38:9)(38:35) AR-RAZZÂQ The Provider (51:58) AL-FATTÂH The Opener, The Judge (34:26) AL-'ALÎM The All-Knowing (2:158)(3:92)(4:35)(24:41)(33:40) (35:38)(57:6) AL-QÂBID The Withholder (2:245) AL-BÂSIT The Expander (2:245) AL-KHÂFID The Abaser AR-RÂFI' The Exalter AL-MU'IZZ The Bestower of honour (3:26) AL-MUDHILL The Humiliator (3:26) AS-SAMÎ' The All-Hearing (2:127) (2:137) (2:256) (8:17) (49:1) AL-BASÎR The All-Seeing (4:58) (17:1) (42:11) (42:27) (57:4) (67:19) AL-HAKAM The Judge (22:69) AL-'ADL The Just, The Equitable AL-LATÎF The Gentle, The Knower of subtleties (6:103) (22:63) (31:16) (33:34) (67:14) AL-KHABÎR The All-Aware (6:18) (17:30) (49:13) (59:18) (63:11)
AL-HALÎM The Forbearing (2:225) (2:235) (17:44) (22:59) (35:41) AL-'AZÎM The Incomparably Great (2:255) (42:4) (56:96) AL-GAFÛR The Forgiving (2:173) (8:69) (16:110) (41:32) (60:7) ASH-SHAKÛR The Appreciative (35:30) (35:34) (42:23) (64:17) AL-'ALIYY The Most High (2:255) (4:34) (31:30) (42:4) (42:51) AL-KABÎR The Most Great (13:9) (22:62) (31:30) (34:23) (40:12) AL-HAFÎZ The Preserver (11:57) (34:21) (42:6) AL-MUGHÎTH The Sustainer AL-HASÎB The Reckoner (4:6) (4:86) (33:39) AL-JALÎL The Majestic, The Revered, The Sublime AL-KARÎM The Generous (27:40) (82:6) AR-RAQÎB The Watchful (4:1) (5:117) AL-MUJÎB The Responsive (11:61) AL-WÂSI' The All-Encompassing, The All-Embracing (2:115) (2:261) (2:268) (3:73) (5:54) AL-HAKÎM The Wise (2:129) (2:260) (31:27) (46:2) (57:1) (66:2) AL-WADÛD The Loving One (11:90) (85:14) AL-MAJÎD The Most Glorious (11:73) AL-BÂ'ITH The Resurrector (22:7) ASH-SHAHÎD The Witness (4:79)(4:166)(22:17)(41:53)(48:28) AL-HAQQ The Truth (6:62)(22:6)(23:116)(31:30) AL-WAKÎL The Ultimate Trustee, The Disposer of Affairs (3:173) (4:171) (28:28) (33:3) (73:9) AL-QAWIYY The Most Strong (22:40)(22:74)(42:19)(57:25)(58:21) AL-MATÎN The Firm One, The Authoritative (51:58) AL-WALIYY The Protector (3:68) (4:45) (7:196) (42:28) (45:19) AL-HAMÎD The All-Praised, The Praiseworthy (14:1) (14:8) (31:12) (31:26) (41:42) AL-MUHSÎ The Reckoner AL-MUBDI' The Originator (10:4)(10:34)(27:64)(29:19)(85:13) AL-MU'ÎD The Restorer to life (10:4)(10:34)(27:64)(29:19)(85:13) AL-MUHYÎ The Giver of life (3:156) (7:158) (15:23)(30:50)(57:2) AL-MUMÎT The Causer of death (3:156) (7:158) (15:23) (57:2) AL-HAYY The Ever-Living (2:255)(3:2)(20:111)(25:58)(40:65) AL-QAYYÛM The Self-Existing by Whom all subsist (2:255) (3:2) (20:111) AL-WÂJID The Self-Sufficient, The All-Perceiving AL-MÂJID The Glorified AL-WÂHID The One (2:163) (5:73) (9:31) (18:110) (37:4) AS-SAMAD The Eternally Besought (112:2) AL-QÂDIR The Omnipotent, The Able (6:65) (36:81) (46:33) (75:40) (86:8) AL-MUQTADIR The Powerful (18:45) (54:42) (54:55) AL-MUQADDIM The Expediter AL- MU'AKHKHIR The Delayer (71]4 AL-AWWAL The First (57:3) AL-ÂKHIR The Last (57:3) AZ-ZÂHIR The Manifest (57:3) AL-BÂTIN The Hidden (57:3) AL-WÂLÎ The Governor, The Protector AL-MUTA'ÂLÎ The Most Exalted (13:9) AL-BARR The Benign, The Source of All-Goodness (52:28) AT-TAWWÂB The Granter and Accepter of repentence (2:37) (2:128) (4:64) (49:12) (110:3) AL- MUNTAQIM The Lord of Retribution, The Avenger (32:22) (43:41) (44:16) AL-'AFUWW The Pardoner (4:99) (4:149) (22:60) AR-RA'ÛF The Most Kind, The Clement (3:30) (9:117) (57:9) (59:10) MÂLIK-UL-MULK Owner of the Kingdom (3:26) DHUL JALÂL WAL IKRÂM Possessor of Majesty and Honour (55:27) (55:78) AL-MUQSIT The Just, The Equitable (3:18) AL-JÂME' The Gatherer (3:9) AL-GHANIYY The All-Sufficient (2:263) (3:97) (39:7) (47:38) (57:24) AL-MUGHNÎ The Enricher (9:28) AL-MÂNI' The Preventer of harm AD-DÂRR The Afflicter AN-NÂFI' The Benefiter AN-NÛR The Light (24:35) AL-HÂDÎ The Guide (25:31) AL-BADÎ' The Originator (2:117) (6:101) AL-BÂQÎ The Everlasting (55:27) AL-WÂRITH The Ultimate Inheritor (15:23) AR-RASHÎD The Guide AS-SABÛR The Patient One
here look up verses and references link: http://www.quranexplorer.com/
"A QUESTION FOR YOU MY FREIND DOES THE GOD OF THE BIBLE HAVE EVIL IN HIM???? "
No... God of the Bible is apart from evil.
Babe,
Your posts are too long and they are not topic related. I will not go through all the references.
"THE OTHER THING IS PAUL TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND CHRISTIANITY PROPERLY WHAT IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY ????"
I understand Christianity... The main point in Christianity is salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ only, the only Son of God, offered as a sacrifices the sins of God's elect. All prophets and all the testimonies of the Jewish Bible point towards Christ.
Let me answer my own questions according to Christianity
1) In God's eyes, all sins are sins, meaning that the smallest lie is as horible as the greatest murder. God being infinite in value, He punish all sins the same.
2)The Bible does not teach that one man is better than another. The bible teaches that God gives measures of grace. Some receive more and some receive less. Thus, one is more righteous than another only because they received more spiritual gifts from God
3) God can be just and the justifier of the wicked because He punished all the sins of His people in Jesus Christ, His Son. Christ suffered hell for those He saves. God justice, God's holy wrath was extinguished on His Son.
4) Repentance is a gift from God. Unless God opens your eyes to see your sins and His majesty, you will NOT repent. Works done in the flesh are filthy rags done with wrong self centered motivations
5)Faith is also a gift from God. Man cannot believe in God unless God makes him able to. Man can mimic the belief in God, but he will not really believe.
6) The difference between a believer and a unbeliever is God's electing love. He chooses to love some and show them the cross of Jesus Christ, and he also chooses to pass by others and let them wander in the darkness of their soul.
"No... God of the Bible is apart from evil."
Judges 9:23
God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the citizens of Shechem, who acted treacherously against Abimelech.
1 Samuel 16:14
[ David in Saul's Service ] Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.
1 Samuel 16:15
Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you.
1 Samuel 16:16
Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."
1 Samuel 16:23
Whenever the spirit from God came upon Saul, David would take his harp and play. Then relief would come to Saul; he would feel better, and the evil spirit would leave him.
1 Samuel 18:10
The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand
1 Samuel 19:9
But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,
AND WITH REGARDS TO MY ANSWERS BEING OFF TOPIC LOOK CAREFULLY...
AR-RAHMÂN The Most Compassionate,
The Beneficent
The Gracious
AR-RAHÎM The Merciful
AL-QUDDÛS The Most Holy (59:1, 23-24) (62:1-2)
SURAH 59 Al-Hashr
Al-Hashr
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth glorifies Allâh. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (1)
He is Allâh beside Whom is Lâ ilâha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allâh! (High is He) above all that they associate as partners with Him. (23)
He is Allâh, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names[] . All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (24)
SURAH 62 Al-Jumua
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is on the earth glorifies Allâh, the King (of everything), the Holy, the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (1)
He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) from among themselves, reciting to them His Verses, purifying them (from the filth of disbelief and polytheism), and teaching them the Book (this Qur'ân, Islâmic laws and Islâmic jurisprudence) and Al-Hikmah (As-Sunnah: legal ways, orders, acts of worship, of Prophet Muhammad SAW). And verily, they had been before in mainfest error; (2)
I understand Christianity... The main point in Christianity is salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ only, the only Son of God, offered as a sacrifices the sins of God's elect. All prophets and all the testimonies of the Jewish Bible point towards Christ.
MY FREIND WHO IS THE ALL MIGHTY, THE ALL WISE, THE ONE AND ONLY, ALLAH (SWT) IS !!!!
THE REASON WHY I ASKED YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY IS ????
"I understand Christianity... The main point in Christianity is salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ only, the only Son of God, offered as a sacrifices the sins of God's elect. All prophets and all the testimonies of the Jewish Bible point towards Christ."
Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
WHOM ARE YOU FOOLING MY FREIND YOUR GOD (ALLAH) DOES NOT ACCEPT HUMAN SACRIFICE ????
Genesis 22-8
Abraham Tested
AL GIVE YOU CHANCE LOOK IT UP YOU SHOULD KNOW YOUR BIBLE BETTER THAN ME !!!!
=== Original Message ===
"A QUESTION FOR YOU MY FREIND DOES THE GOD OF THE BIBLE HAVE EVIL IN HIM???? "
No... God of the Bible is apart from evil.
Babe,
Your posts are too long and they are not topic related. I will not go through all the references.
"THE OTHER THING IS PAUL TO UNDERSTAND ISLAM YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND CHRISTIANITY PROPERLY WHAT IS YOUR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT CHRISTIANITY ????"
I understand Christianity... The main point in Christianity is salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ only, the only Son of God, offered as a sacrifices the sins of God's elect. All prophets and all the testimonies of the Jewish Bible point towards Christ.